Tiger killed a person at the Zoo on Christmas Day
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 DG in WP |
Tiger killed a person at the Zoo on Christmas Day |
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antfaber |
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Posts: 2097 (12/25/07 21:02:39) Great and Powerful Moderator |
If the guy was running, the tiger might have thought he was "hasty" pudding.
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DG in WP |
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Posts: 1133 (12/25/07 23:32:34) |
How did it get loose from the pen?
I've watched several news reports and none has explained how the tiger got out and why it was roaming around loose. This was the same tiger that ate the arm off a female zookeeper last year. According to Channel 7 news, There is still a lawsuit pending about that -- she has sued the city. I smell........Lawsuit !!!! -- on this one, too. Can't think of any reason why this big tiger should be strolling outside of its pen and running rampant. Somebody's going to be in big trouble. Cat fight !!!! Wouldn't it be great if this caused them to close or significantly alter the Zoo. I can think of many ways the Zoo could be bettered. Or possibly closed, or moved. |
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westside progressive |
Another shining example of privatization! | ||
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Posts: 3054 (12/26/07 00:23:46) |
The privatized zoo has gone to hell in a handbasket. The animals are being abused. They treated the elephants so badly that they had to get rid of them. They got rid of the lemurs, too, which were the best part IMO. They can't keep the tigers under control. But they built a nice cafe. I'm sure it's making money.
This is what you get when you hand public spaces over to private corporations. |
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Jerry Jarvis |
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Posts: 676 (12/26/07 13:16:01) |
Quote: Guess who will pay the settlement even though the zoo is in private/public partnership? |
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SFWonk |
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Posts: 212 (12/26/07 13:27:48) |
Jesus, Westside, does everything have to be a soapbox for you to climb upon and advocate for the takeover of all resources by the Benevolent State on behalf of the Proletariat?
A tiger got loose and hurt some people. Killed one person. That's the story here. If you've got an expose' on the SF Zoo, OK, produce some evidence and make your point But it is patently ridiculous on it's face to say that this attack shows that Privately-run zoos (or parks or what have you) are a bad idea. Accidents happen in State-run institutions just as they do in privately-run institutions. If you want to reach any kind of intelligent conclusion , you would need to aggregate all kinds of data over a host of privately run and State run institutions. I'm not certain that the State run institutions would come out measurably better in such a comprehensive analysis and I think that the chances are at least even that they'd come out measurably worse. Because -- as I'm sure you saw -- a guy died at the 49ers game last week by falling out of the upper deck. Oh, wait -- that's a State run facility (Park & Rec.) Goes to show you what happens when the State owns and runs a public space, using your reasoning. Another shining example of nationalization! Also, everybody knows that this privately-run Zoo sucks and ought to be Nationalized immediately: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Zoo Statists of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains! Meh. ~SFWonk |
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Jerry Jarvis |
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Posts: 676 (12/26/07 14:14:26) |
SFWonk,
San Francisco doesn't have a good record with private/public partnerships. Whether it be the zoo or golf courses. I can think of 2 zoo's in America, the Brookfield in Chicago and the Brooklyn in Prospect Park that where this partnership works. Thats not to leave out Bush Gardens in Tampa Bay. The latter being totally privately owned. |
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SFWonk |
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Posts: 212 (12/26/07 17:35:30) |
Jerry Jarvis typed:
JJ> San Francisco doesn't have a good record with private/public partnerships. ...which may say more about the City's public sector than it does about Public/Private partnerships in general. As I mentioned before, the San Diego Zoo is privately run, and it does fine (and more than fine.) ~SFWonk |
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WishYouWereDead |
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Posts: 3315 (12/26/07 18:54:26) |
i must admit that i NEVER go to zoos and did not follow the privatization of our zoo... the san diego zoo is run by a non-profit foundation... is that the case here?... one interesting fact is that in 2006, when a sf keeper had her arm torn off (by the same tiger?), osha cited the zoo, but still the keeper was NOT successful in a lawsuit (according to ap)... how could that be? (or is that why "private" companies are so economically "succesful")... |
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KenKnows |
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Posts: 1199 (12/26/07 19:12:34) |
Quote: www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar...BU4Q5T.DTL Siberian? Those Communists will stop at nothing. |
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clapsibah hepsaddle |
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Posts: 16 (12/26/07 21:05:02) |
The Progressives refuse to do anything about the Animal Threat! They're all over, defecating festering, germy feces all over and their urine smells like piss. They must be stopped. Ban animals now!
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westside progressive |
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Posts: 3054 (12/26/07 23:49:47) |
Wonk, fact is that the privatized San Francisco zoo has been badly mismanaged. The animals are treated terribly because the zoo doesn't want to spend any money on them, but spends lavishly on things like a brand new cafe. I doubt the city could do worse.
As for your charge that I'm being opportunistic, I say no moreso than the Right. The Right uses every crisis opportunity to advance a radical "free market" agenda, from laying the blame at the feet of "government-run health care" when the Bush regime fails to take decent care of soldiers at Walter Reed, to using Katrina as an opportunity for privatization of public schools and ethnic cleansing of poor neighborhoods. On another subject, I do feel sorry for Tatiana the Tiger. She's only an animal. I don't think she deserved the death penalty. Couldn't she have been given life w/o parole? Oh, wait... she already... never mind. |
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Jerry Jarvis |
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Posts: 676 (12/27/07 02:19:44) |
If you have you ever been on a muni bus with a lot of high pitched, coming into age squeaky voices? Then try to imagine living in that same hell almost every day of the year.
I have my self been to the zoo here and experienced the environ from the human perspective, I can only try to imagine the endurance's these beings suffer, who for one are out of their natural habitat of nature, the confusion that they feel. San Francisco devotes quite a bit of monies to the park and rec's, but always never have enough to bring the parks in to a showmanship of grand scale as we would believe that it should be. Poor city planning. The goldrush development mentality.  see more of my zoo pic's here. www.flickr.com/photos/jdjarvis1/sets/72157601160674953/ |
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DG in WP |
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Posts: 1133 (12/27/07 13:22:22) |
Beautiful picture, Jerry. You have a good camera and you sure know how to use it !!!! Love the color. What beautiful animals they are.
Did anyone see the picture of the kid that died? What a sneer on that face. What an expression he had !!! Do you know what that expression looks like? Lee Harvey Oswald's face right when he was getting shot by Jack Ruby. Doesn't it? The mother was going to give her son 40 dollars and a pack of tube socks. WHAT A GREAT FAMILY, HUH !!!!!!! God Bless America !!!!!!! |
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PHLemingo |
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Posts: 1560 (12/27/07 14:02:39) |
Quote: Well, I guess we better nationalize MUNI fast. They've had five deaths this year! (Oh wait, MUNI is publicly run). Hey, two of those deaths were suicides! Which goes to a larger issue: it appears the animal was provoked. Reports cite a shoe and blood inside the tiger area. Also pine cones and other debris keepers insist it being impossible to get there unaided. Looks like those young men (products of Charter Schools, probably) had a 'hand' in their undoing. Jerry -- I agree with you about the conditions those animals are forced to endure. I dislike going to zoos, precisely for that reason. Maybe its time we ought to do away with that 19th century institution. Certainly a virtual tour is preferable where animals could reside in their native habitat, and entertainment $$ could go to preserving that and their care as well. While I'm sad that Tatiana had to die, apparently there was a lot of confusion about how many asnimals (four legged) were loose and how many victims there were. Lets do away with zoos soon. -P |
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DG in WP |
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Posts: 1133 (12/27/07 14:22:41) |
Why are they not revealing the names of the 2 brothers?
Are they illegal aliens? Are they criminals? Why did they refuse to give their names to the paramedics? Have they yet been identified by the authorities? Is this all part of a plot to get the 2 brothers to confess that they were taunting the animal, thereby possibly getting the City off the hook for the amount of the inevitable Wrongful Death lawsuit? Does Chief Fong look like an idiot running around the zoo in her police cap and big black boots acting like she has everything so under control when she so obviously does NOT? Is Chief Fong a doosh? |
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valupak |
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Posts: 793 (12/27/07 15:36:24) |
Quote:It shouldn't be out of the question that these boys did indeed taunt the tiger in some way. I have often seen people taunting or disturbing zoo and Academy of Science animals. One incident that I'll never forget, was at the Monkey House. A man pretended to hand an ice cream cone to a monkey leaning against the bars, but he was holding the ice cream just a few inches out of the monkey's reach to take it. I swear, I saw the monkey roll its eyes, as if to be thinking to itself, "Here we go again!". Then suddenly the monkey swung its arm wide outside of the cage within a split second, and sent the ice cream flying, splatting right on to the shirt of the mean man's friend. HA HA! 'Lower primate' so - powned 'higher primate', I loved it. |
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DG in WP |
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Posts: 1133 (12/27/07 19:30:09) |
The reason they don't have any video cameras on the tigers is because they don't think they're going to do any shoplifting.
Now if the tigers were at the perfume counter at Macy's that's a different story. |
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westside progressive |
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Posts: 3054 (12/27/07 21:42:56) |
I heard some of the supes will be taking a really careful look at that zoo contract when it comes up for renewal next year.
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WishYouWereDead |
didn't tony the tiger used to represent that district? | ||
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Posts: 3315 (12/27/07 23:28:57) |
so, is it a for-profit or a nonprofit running the zoo?... not that nonprofits don't often exist to provide enormous salaries for certain people, but for instance, if this is being run like the edison schools, to make a profit for an investor, that is somewhat different from it being run like a charter school, on a non profit basis... which is it - and does anyone have a list of some of the salaries being drawn (if it is a nonprofit, they should be available for public perusal... are we going to find people drawing $200.000+ who also conveniently turn up on newsom and elsbernd's donor list?)... |
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DG in WP |
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Posts: 1133 (12/27/07 23:50:43) |
Good question. I don't know. I hope the supervisors don't renew the zoo contract.
Times have changed. What used to be considered an important educational resource for children is now used by parents as just another place to push a stroller around in. There are so few recreational options for parents with preschool kids -- Parks, Zoos, Pumpkin Festivals and Sesame Street On Ice are about the only things that welcome small children in strollers. Everywhere else little kids are treated like a nuisance because they cry, and the parents don't take the kids outside when they cry anymore, because everyone's so boorish nowadays, and so kids cry in restaurants, movies, etc. and nobody takes them out, and then that boorish behavior on the parents part has led to the phenomenon of people with small kids being made to feel unwelcome in so many public places, getting the cold shoulder or icy stare if you try to bring a baby anywhere. And so the Zoo on Saturdays is jam-packed with strollers. That's all it is now. Not educational at all, just a place to be with other parents and kids. Some of the commenters on sfgate have said Wouldn't it be great if they razed the zoo and put a new 49ers Stadium there. WHAT A GREAT IDEA. I agree 100 percent. Hope they do it ! |
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